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*sigh*

I am so fed up with this current administration and this is just another reason why.

Even when they are headed out of office, they can't pony up with the truth

Date: 2008-05-29 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mieper.livejournal.com
since they were just collecting papers, i wonder who compiled them. and which ones.

and what the government will actually do with it. yeah right.

and what the public will make the government do with it. yeah right.

Date: 2008-05-30 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lonewolf545.livejournal.com
Which truth? The global anthropagenic climate change crowd still doesn't have a model that can accept historical data and match what actually happens. Not to mention, there's a VERY strong chance our next problem isn't warming - it's cooling. It's almost June, it was 73' on my drive home from work. North Korea's food shortage (in fact, the global rice shortage) is being exacerbated by late frost on the ground (how many crops did Georgia farmers lose with our late frost spell?). And sunspot experts have predicted SERIOUSLY low sunspot activity based on a combination of cycles, and those predictions appear to be matching the data. And there's a STRONG correlation between sunspot activity levels and temperature. Go talk to Dr. Roper. Or Dr. Travis Taylor.

MY problem with George Bush is he does a piss-poor job of confronting those who attack him, and on explaining his actions. But he matches a LOT of fighter pilots that way, they select for a certain level of arrogance in military pilots, especially fighter pilots (well, they try to select for self-confidence, but it easily morphs into arrogance).

Date: 2008-05-30 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The truth is that there is some evidence to suggest that the presence of humans on the planet are contributing to the overall increase in temperature of the oceans on the planet. It is not 100% sure by any chance but to choose to ignore the fact that indicate that it *could* be occurring simply is criminal. Science is about using all the facts, not just the ones that are convenient. I personally hope that the concept of a universal and encompassing "Global Warming" is false. But we won't know unless we continue to study it. Instead of sticking our heads in the sand.

And you know better than to use a single fact like its 73 degrees in June is not really a good indicator of Global Cooling. :-) It would have to be cooler in all places where its normally hotter over a large period of time...

And I have talked to Dr. Roper who has retired. Although I prefer to talk to a few more folks that are still "in the game" so to speak. Roper's middle atmosphere dynamics course introduced me to the modelling. And the fact that we CAN successfully model things over the past 100 years properly suggests that we do need to stop sticking our heads in the sand about this.

Global Warming is a buzzword. Ignoring science because its inconvenient to a political agenda is a damn shame.

Date: 2008-05-30 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] st-darwin.livejournal.com
And you know better than to use a single fact like its 73 degrees in June is not really a good indicator of Global Cooling

Apparently not.

It may be true that most people haven't internalized that the models predict higher variance and a lot of local variance with only a small average increase, but it's hard to explain things to people they don't want to understand.

Unless George Bush's cocaine-fueled fighter-pilot arrogance gave him the equivalent of multiple science PhDs, the report was suppressed for political reasons and not out of poorly explained mavericky maverickitude. Suppressing inconvenient science for political reasons is a gateway drug to Lysenkoism, creationism, and self-destruction.

Date: 2008-05-30 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lonewolf545.livejournal.com
Strangely enough, some of the scientists I know are complaining of exactly that - when they try to publish works that contradict the meme that anthropagenic global warming is a crisis.

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